0706 Into the 18th Century

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0706 Into the 18th Century

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I'm just smoothly moving along through these parallels. Why? It's fun. And I like sharing. It is cool to see all the various choices and responses we have and could have made along the way.


Channeled by Nick Sweeney on July 6th 2022:

MEntity: We are still here, Kurtis. You may begin with your first question

Kurtis: Hello Michael and Nick, let's continue our parallel explorations then.

First: 1644.

My best guess for the 1644 parallel branch you shared is that the Qing Dynasty did not enact the laws that all Han Chinese shave their heads to look and dress significantly more Manchu, like the new Qing rulers, in 1645. Non-compliance meant death. This was humiliating to the Han, as it was a proclamation of submission to foreigners and a violation of their confucian philosophies. It contributed to a great deal of Anti-Qing riots, protests and rebellion that lasted through the 1680s. It was official Hong Chengchou and Manchu Prince Dorgon that imposed these laws, so perhaps if they died, things could have shifted away from assimilation and towards integration of cultures.

I think this parallel moved towards the Easternized world with the Softer, more Communitarian China. Is this true?

MEntity: Yes, your assessment is valid, but it appears there is a more critical factor than this that lead this branch to merge with the more Easternized world. This more critical element seems to have been another "power" that could not be suppressed by the Qing Dynasty, and they both coexisted and exerted influence over the Chinese. This is similar to the East/West division in Germany before the Berlin Wall was torn down. The two powers generated conflict for years but eventually "reunited" and amplified the themes of diversity and eclecticism.

Kurtis: Oh. Uhhh that might be the Shun Dynasty?

MEntity: Yes, we believe this is correct.

Kurtis: Nice. I had a feeling that dynasty could have survived and prospered.

Out of curiosity am I in that world?

I'll also post my next question

I'd like to explore the 18th Century next. First, can you provide any dates for non-merging parallels branching in the 18th Century? I have my own list of course, but I am curious what you might share.

MEntity: No, we do not see you in any variations of this world.

Kurtis: I thought so. This validates my perception and strengthens my assessments.


Yes, one moment.

1704, 1728, 1735, 1750, and 1789.

Kurtis: Okay let's look into these.

1704 - Is this a branch where France won the Battle of Blenheim? I am not sure what happened there, but I'd like to hear about it.

MEntity: No, it appears to be linked to an internal assassination of the king at that time.

Kurtis: Ah! Interesting.

Is it related to the England falls into division and civil war parallels?

MEntity: No, this branch is not related.

Kurtis: Noted. Gotta pry open history books haha.

1750 - My best guess here is a branch where France captured and integrated India, ousting the British. I have suspected a line like that exists where Rococo aesthetics grew even more popular. I would like to hear about if this is valid and what those parallels are like now.

1789 - The French Revolution did not ignite. Perhaps instead France devolved into civil war?

1735 - This might be related to the Qianlong Emperor never coming to power in the Qing Dynasty? It appears this is also a time where the Persians won an Ottoman-Persian War and formed a treaty with Russia to contain the Ottomans. Perhaps the Ottomans won instead and expanded?

MEntity: 1750 - correction, as we are not finding an existing parallel.

Kurtis: Okay, thank you.

However I do think there is a rococo parallel from around the 1730s-50s. If I am wrong, do correct me.

MEntity: Correct, yes.

Kurtis: France kind of almost captured India in around 1744 and 1759 from what I have found.

They would have won the Seven Years War there.

What's that world like today?

MEntity: Yes, in the parallels where France succeeded, their "reign" did not last long.

Kurtis: Oh. Guess they overextended themselves?

MEntity: This would be one way of looking at it. It is also that they were less able to "adapt" to India than the British.

Kurtis: Oh? Interesting.

MEntity: 1789 - Yes, and the region was split into three regions: one that included Paris in the Northeast, a Northwest region, and a Southern region.

Kurtis: This validates my perception. I have found more branches later on in history that could have gone "there", which we will get to at a later time.

MEntity: 1735 - The Ottomans won and expanded.

Kurtis: Ah! So this is a branch that moved towards the Easternized parallels, as well, yes?

MEntity: Correct.

Kurtis: I love exploring these.

Here's another guess at 1704: Perhaps King Louis XIV was the one assassinated? Another branch towards the French division and civil war world?

MEntity: King Louis XIV was the one assassinated, yes. Correct.

Kurtis: Okay, cool. I got that one down.

And for 1728 - The best I can find is a battle between Maratha and Mughal empires in India. The Maratha won in our history. Did the Mughals win "there"? Maybe Nader Shah never arose there as well, never founding the Persian Afsharid Dynasty that weakened the Mughals.

MEntity: 1728 - This branching appears to be influenced most by pivotal events in America at the time.

Kurtis: Oh I see.

We'll return to that later then. Thank you.

First off, if the Rococo parallels from 1744/1759 are still separate, what are they like today?

And secondly.

Here are some other branches I found. Can you validate these?

Is there a branch from 1775 in which young America annexed Quebec and went on to integrate the rest of Canada?

Is there a branch from 1781 in which Tupac Amaru II survived and ignited the Latin American Wars of Independence 30 years earlier? This could go on to put Peru as a major power.

Is there a branch from 1796 that has moved towards the branch where Biosciences and Genetic Engineering considerably advanced? 1796 was a year with a breakthrough in vaccination.

Is there a branch from 1794-1796 that has moved towards the Advanced Science & Technology "Tomorrowland" parallels? This is the last year that proto-socialist communities tried to gain sway and change the trajectory of France. It could have resulted in a more liberal and humane world, as explored in those more egalitarian parallels.

MEntity: They are not separate. They merged towards the Easternized/Community parallels.

Kurtis: Oh! Interesting.

That Easternized world must be a world that has very high end and bizarre fashion then, if the Rococo influences moved there?

MEntity: Not as we see it, no, though some "trace elements" of this aesthetic movement can still be found.

Kurtis: Ah so it has dwindled down some then.

How intriguing.

More for me to ponder.

MEntity: 1775 - no

Kurtis: Noted, thank you.


1781 - yes

1796 - no

Kurtis: Ooh. So I caught a new parallel on that 1781 one.

MEntity: 1794-1796 - correct

Kurtis: Thank you. I had a feeling that one branched. I think I as a past personality contributed to that.

I have found evidence of a major event in North America for 1728. It was in 1729 with the Natchez Revolt. Perhaps in those parallels, that revolt did not happen, and this allowed for more integration of cultures in America?

My best guess if this is true, if that this moved towards the Easternized communitarian parallels.

I also have one more question, if we have time for that. If not, it's for next time.


We are unable to get a clear answer through about the 1728/29 events, as we are losing focus through our channel.

Perhaps we can with your final question?

Kurtis: Yes, perhaps.

Ill post it.

You through Troy have shared about a Child Timeline branching from 250 years ago in which mixed diseases from Europeans and Native Americans broke into a Trans Atlantic Pandemic that halted the Industrial Revolution.

My best exploration of what could have happened there is that between 1775 and 1781, a North American Smallpox Epidemic broke out that devastated native populations and threatened American rebels even more than Britain did, according to George Washington. Perhaps this epidemic escalated there. Is this valid? Did that Child Timeline branch in 1781 from this?

When I have tried looking at what that Timeline looks like today, I keep seeing a world where Humans have taken to extremes of environment. We appear to live in primarily mountains, dense wilderness, and the seas, and life looks significantly more rampant with piracy and adventure, much like Pirates of the Caribbean, or the film "Waterworld". Is this valid?

MEntity: Though you may need to revisit this for further validation and elaboration, we can say yes to your assessments and "vision".

Kurtis: I'm glad my capacity at imagination and envisioning seems to be improving in accuracy then.

MEntity: We must conclude here for today, Kurtis. We will be with you again soon in your future. Good day to you. Goodbye for now.

Kurtis: Thank you very much Michael and Nick!


Quick wrap-up.

We found 2 new parallels in this session: A branch where France broke into division and civil war from 1704 and 1789. My best guess is that there is no European Union in that world, so Russia probably poses a much bigger threat. When I tried to visualize this world, it did not look good.

A branch where Peru became a major power after appointing an Indigenous Inca as monarch in 1781. This person's name was Tupac Amaru II, named after the last Inca Emperor that resisted Spanish Rule until 1572: Tupac Amaru. This makes me wonder if the first branches towards this world are from the 16th Century where the Inca did not fall. Thus the parallels where Inca were revived could have merged into those where they survived from the start.

We've also got more information on the Easternized World. Not only did the Ottomans expand and survive, but China was split into two dynasties, and the Indian Kingdoms resisted European Colonization. I have tried visualizing this world and definitely see fashion and architecture reminiscent of the Qing Dynasty. However I have not yet found a corresponding aesthetic yet, so I will let ya'll know when I do.

Also of note, the Rococo aesthetics popular at the time were heavily influenced by Chinese & Japanese motifs. Another validation factor for merging into an Easternized World.

I am happy that the branch from 1796 exists, and I definitely think I was alive in the French Revolution contributing to it. For those unaware, modern socialism was born in the French Revolution, and it was extinguished after several attempts between 1793 and 1796.

We also have confirmation that the Trans-Atlantic Pandemic Child Timeline moved towards looking like Pirates of the Caribbean. This is known as the genre Oceanpunk. I am pretty sure there is a "me" there, as I have had dreams and daydreams and created stories of characters sailing on the high seas.

Lastly, as for 1728-29. I think the Natchez Revolt is correct. The reconciliation and good relationship between the French and indigenous was broken during this Revolt, and never repaired. My intial assumption was this might just move towards a more Communitarian, Easternized world. But now I'm thinking this merged into the 1781 parallel with the revived Incas. I think that world has much better Indigenous Integration.

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