0531 Hopping through Parallels and finding Discrepancies - 15th-16th Century, Tomorrowland, Ottomans, Leonardo da Vinci, Catherine of Aragon, Hitler's Art, Crystal Tech etc.

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0531 Hopping through Parallels and finding Discrepancies - 15th-16th Century, Tomorrowland, Ottomans, Leonardo da Vinci, Catherine of Aragon, Hitler's Art, Crystal Tech etc.

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Babylove (aka Nick Sweeney) was mentored by Troy, and participates in the TLE Community as a student. We have elected to post sessions channeled by Nick in this library if shared within TLE because these sessions often continue conversations begun with a session channeled by Troy or vice versa. Other content channeled by Nick may be found by searching for ChannelNS.

I had a series of sessions with Nick from May 31-June 2 2022. I dedicated these to studying parallels.

This is a continuation of previous sessions, especially "Into the Early Modern Age".

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MEntity: Hello, Kurtis. We are here, now and can begin.

Kurtis: Hello Michael and Nick. Good day.

Now that we have explored the 15th Century, I’d like to move into the 16th Century. I’d like to know about each of the non-merging parallels that branched in this century. I can think of plenty, but I am curious what branches you might bring up first. If it is easiest, we can move in 20 year increments.

MEntity: We will not be able to give events through our channel, but we can give approximate dates covering the whole of the 16th century. We think it is best to continue working together as you have with your research and selection of possible events and our validation through our channel. This is simply the best we can do through our channel at this time in regards to an exploration of parallels in history. With that said we see these approximate dates for the beginning to non-merging parallels:

Kurtis: Noted. I can do that to help make things easier.

MEntity:

1502, 1546, 1585, 1592

There may be more, and we would find these as we continue to work in this way.

Kurtis: That sounds great.

You also mentioned 1521 in a previous session, where Magellan survived and focused Spain on the Spice Isles.

Okay looking at what you've written, is 1502 the branch where Catherine of Aragon had a child with Prince Arthur because he did not die? This would be a branch where England stayed Catholic.

I also imagine that Persia would have stayed Sunni rather than converted to Shia Islam.

MEntity: Yes, 1521 would also be included in this list.

Kurtis: Is the 1585 branch the one where Queen Elizabeth I was assassinated and I presume, England fell into rapid division and possibly Civil War?

Is 1592 a branch where Japan successfully invaded and occupied Korea during the Imjin War?

MEntity: 1502: correct that England remained Catholic, however, Persia did convert to Shia Islam. There was instability and some toggling back and forth between Sunni and Shia, but Shia always established itself.

Kurtis: I see. After you finish assessing the other branches, how is that 1502 world like now?

MEntity: 1585: correct

Kurtis: Nice, got that one down too.

MEntity: 1592: no

Kurtis: Hmm, okay. I'll look at that one deeper.

As for 1546, I find two events that may be relevant: The Schmalkaldic War in Europe, and the Siege of Kawagoe Castle in Japan. Is it related to one of these?

As for other branches I have thought of:

Is there a branch from around 1504 or so where Leonardo da Vinci's clockwork innovations received greater funding? If there is, I imagine it would have merged into the 1433 branch we found before.

Is there a branch from around 1509 where Portugal lost the Battle of Diu against the Ottomans, Italian City States and India?

Is there a branch from around 1565 where the Kingdom of Vijayanagar survived the Battle of Talikota in southern India?

MEntity: 1502: this parallel is currently still "picking up the pieces" after a nuclear holocaust. The population has been reduced to approximately 250 million. The caretakers play a big role in helping the species restabilize and in containing the radiation within specific "zones" on the planet. They will be able to "dissolve" and/or remove the radiation in time, but it will take years. This is a bleak time for the species but ironically, with the help of several infinite soul manifestations, along with the open caretaker help, this parallel is likely to quickly anchor Mature Soul consciousness in the next few decades.

Kurtis: Oh wow. That big of a difference...

MEntity: It is not "that big of a difference" considering that there are several parallels where nuclear holocaust occurred.

Kurtis: Yes, one is the Child Timeline from 1983-87.

MEntity: Correct.

Kurtis: How is that 1502 branch not a Child Timeline?

MEntity: It is simply not and remains in "this" timeline.

Kurtis: I find that very odd, but also intriguing.

MEntity: Why do you find it odd?

Kurtis: From what I recall, you said the 80s child Timeline was reduced down to approximately 2 Billion people, which is much more than this 1502 branch. 

But I suppose the capacity to recover quickly is what counts when it comes to staying in a Timeline vs moving into a Child Timeline.

MEntity: Yes, this is valid. And the choices for rapid recovery versus a slower pace and altogether different evolution reflects the creativity inherent in sentience.

Kurtis: Very fascinating. It is fun to learn.

Alright, let's go back to check in on the other branches I thought of above.

MEntity:

1546: We believe it is related to this war in Europe, yes.

1504: your assessment is valid.

1509: no, as these branches merged back into the "main branch" relatively quickly.

1565: we do not see this as a non-merging parallel, no. And we remind you that with such a vast project, discrepancies will likely be found over time that we will have to sort out as they arise.

Kurtis: Yes, there is plenty to explore and clarify.

But I find it a lot of fun. I think you probably find it enjoyable as well.

MEntity: It is ecstasy for us to work with you and with you through our channels in this way, yes.

Kurtis: That's great!

Nothing like a mutual appreciation for teaching and learning.

I'm a bit stumped on the 1592 branch you shared.

I see that there was a Plague in London at the time; a battle over the Azores between Spain and England; and in my mind's eye I can think of maybe parallels where Japan just kind of fell apart and never stayed unified. There's also a battle between Morocco and Mali/Songhai that led to Mali/Songhai's decline. I could see something related to that as well.

I suppose this branch will be a mystery for now.

MEntity: It may help to extend the range to 1590-1593.

Kurtis: Okay, I shall look at that.

MEntity: We have time for another brief question.

Kurtis: Hm, okay. One moment.

Oh. I have an interesting question.

The 1475ish branch where science and technology accelerated.

When I thought of what this branch might look like today, what I envisioned was an aesthetic that looks a lot like the 2015 movie "Tomorrowland".

Shiny greened buildings, connected by golden rail trains, very much what many would think of as a "utopian" future city.

Is this valid?

MEntity: Yes, that is a fair comparison, though that parallel is  far from a utopia. It has its own version of social, political, and environmental dilemmas.

Kurtis: Yes, I imagined so. I put utopia in " because I think I got that gist as well.

I look forward to exploring that world with you. (edited)

Nice to know my vision is valid.

Thanks Michael and Nick.

MEntity: Many of your "visions" have basis in one reality or another, even if they do not precisely match in every detail. We will conclude here for today. Good day to you, Kurtis and goodbye for now.

Kurtis: Adios and till next.

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MEntity: Hello, Kurtis. We are here and can begin.

Kurtis: Hello Nick and Michael. Today, I’d like to start off with some confirmation of info I gathered from my intuition and research.

Question #1: After doing lots of painstaking research, my best guess is that the branch from 1400-1405 is where the Tripartite Indenture succeeded. Basically, England becomes divided in three, plus Scotland. The British Empire is stunted, and I think either England moves closer to France or France probably captures and integrates Britain.

Is this true?

Also, did either of the branches from around 1429 (where England won the Siege of Orleans instead of France) and 1485 (where Richard III survived the Battle of Bosworth Field and killed Henry Tudor, meaning no Tudor Dynasty) merge into this set of parallels?

MEntity: 1400-1405: Your assessment is correct. And no we do not see that these branches from 1429 and 1485 merged into the 1400-1405 branch.

Kurtis: Got it, are those valid branches that are separate from us, in any case?

MEntity: No, they have merged into "this" parallel.

Kurtis: I see. Those are very popular branching points many like to fantasize about. I always find it funny when branches like that have already merged into us.

You mentioned to Delphi once that my guess at a branch from 1480 where the Ottomans successfully invaded Southern Italy was valid. Is this branch still separate from us, and if so what does it look like today?

MEntity: This branch has not merged and reflects the "flip side" of what your world is in this parallel in terms of the balance between "East" and "West". In "this" parallel, in many ways, the Western influences have propagated around the world and "set the tone" for the species. In this other parallel, it is the opposite, and Eastern influences are dominant. Though it is not so extreme as the Communism model that you see in your parallel's China, this other parallel world is like a softer version of China in the sense of the community being prioritized over the individual. This other parallel is quite similar to your parallel in many dynamics. For example, this other parallel is also aiming to anchor Mature Soul consciousness into its institutions and structures of living. As this continues, it is likely that some new emphasis on the individual WITHIN the community becomes emphasized in order to find a new and more dynamic community based paradigm.

Kurtis: Oh, how lovely. I did not expect that.

Can you see when that set of parallels originated? its first branch? I can explore it from there in later sessions.

MEntity: This is from the 1480 branch mentioned above that we were exploring.

Kurtis: yes, correct

so that was the first? [Note from Kurt: I first thought Michael's statement was a question above, and not an answer hence why I asked for clarification. Nevertheless, they responded interestingly.]

MEntity: Yes and no. Remember that we are exploring this from a linear perspective so as to help you make sense of an actual reality that is far more vast, complex, and non-linear than how we are speaking of it. This is merely a model that helps to gain insight and that can help you evolve your perspective. From another perspective, from another "plane" of awareness, these various realities did not come to be from a causal perspective but emerged "as they are" simultaneously. From another angle of perception, they are discontinuous and exist in their own right as "universes" unto themselves.

Kurtis: Well, I only have our linear chronology to work with, but considering your Causal perspective, I guess it would look very different to you.

MEntity: Yes. With that in mind, it could be said that 1480 was the origin point for the branch we described above.

Kurtis: Are there others that merged in afterwards?

MEntity: We do not understand the question.

Kurtis: oh okay

Are there other points in time that branched parallels into that same parallel as the 1480 branch?

MEntity: There are, of course, but we have exceeded our channel's capacity to convey these in this format. We would need to "get at them" another way.

Kurtis: Well we'll keep exploring anyways.

I was thinking of branches from Mughal India, around 1633 and 1658 where maybe Dara Shikoh became emperor instead of Aurangzeb. We'll get to the 17th Century later though.

Moving on in our currently linear perspective...

Question #3: The branch from 1420 I think is from 1419. In 1415, Jan Hus called for a reform of the Church (known as the Bohemian Reformation) and was burned at the stake. His followers, now known as Hussites, grew in anger and rage, while the Church declared them heretics. Jan Hus was a big supporter of Women and Women supported his efforts at reform as well. He was an Early Modern Renaissance times Feminist. Hussite, Bohemian Women fought valiantly in what are known as the Hussite Wars over 1419-1434, against Crusades launched by the Holy Roman Empire. This ended in a status quo compromise with the Hussites in the 1430s.

If these wars had never happened and the Church somehow said "Yeah you know what, we agree with the need for reforms.", we could have seen a shift towards improved Gender relations and equality.

Is this accurate?

MEntity: Yes, this framing of potential and possibility is accurate, however, it was not that the Church simply agreed that made the difference. In fact, they did not in any parallel that we can see. What made the difference was that Jan Hus was not captured and murdered, and his following grew to then be able to undermine the Church in various ways. In other words, the Hussites gained political power and sway over time which lead to improved gender relations on down that parallel line.

Kurtis: Oh, a twist!

I was going by your branch point of 1420, but it looks like the branch was in 1415 of Jan Hus surviving another 5 years.

I thought it would be weird an institution as stodgy and stuffy as the church would reform, but I went with what I had.

Can you see if any of these branches moved towards that same Gender Equality world?

1793 - The Feminist movement in the French Revolution survives because there was no reign of terror.

1848 - The European Revolutions succeed and women move into positions of democratic power, leveraging the women's suffrage movement.

1893 - After the passing of women's suffrage in New Zealand, the world ramps up with women gaining suffrage in several other nations very quickly, rather than takes a more slow movement as "here".

MEntity: The 1848 example moved into that parallel, yes.

Kurtis: Okie doke, noted.

How about these. Did these move towards that Gender Equality world?

1859 - Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection is never published, and more emphasis turns to the soft, organic and holistic sciences.

1880 - The European Scramble for Africa is stunted, with emphasis turned to more potential for a holistic relationship between nations.

I'm not sure if these would, but I'm analyzing and assessing themes as best I can.

MEntity: Oh, yes, for the 1859 example.

Kurtle Boi: Oh that's great. Delphi and I got that one down right 

Do you see a branch towards that world from the 1960s? There was a great feminist movement in that decade as well.

MEntity: That would be correct, yes.

Kurtis: Can you assess which date it was?

I can look at historic events in that time for later

MEntity: It would have been in the later part of the 60's: 1967-1969.

Kurtis: noted.

we shall explore that one at another time then...

Question #5: The branch from 1475 I think is from 1477. In this year, a man known as Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, died in The Battle of Nancy during the Burgundian Wars. Charles wanted to make Burgundy a lasting Kingdom to rival France. Apparently, he was also a massive supporter of Military Reforms using state of the art innovations. His death resulted in the end of Burgundy, and its splitting into what are known as Valois France and Habsburg Austria.

Had he survived and with an heir, it is likely Burgundy would have as well, and begun an Industrial Revolution in what is present day Luxembourg, Netherlands and Belgium. It is also likely the Habsburgs wouldn't have become so big. So you get a weak/no Spanish Empire and weak/no Austrian Empire. 

Is this accurate?

MEntity: Yes, your assessment is valid. We must conclude, here, for today, as we have worn-out our channel. Good day to you, Kurtis. Goodbye for now.

Kurtis: I thank you for your help, and will do my best to keep it easy on Nick going forward.

I appreciate his help with my adventure.

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[Note from Kurt: After the session, Nick sorta comforted me with his response to the above, so I'm going to post that in brackets here cause I thought it was very helpful:

Babylove: Actually, Kurtis, I think you are doing a great job of organizing your thoughts, how you ask questions, and working with Michael to get this information through me. I don't think there is any way around the "fatigue" or "fried circuits," as it's just the nature of the beast in this channeling realm. Your session is also my 2nd of the day which has something to do with it, as well.

Kurtis: aww, thank you... I care about your health.]

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MEntity: Hello, Kurtis. We are here, now, and can begin.

Kurtis: Hello Nick and Michael again. This is our last time together for a lil bit on my end.

For my first question. The 1433/1504 parallels that moved towards the Clockpunk industrial revolution and then accelerated towards investing all resources into “Ecology Preservation, Education, Healthcare and Space Travel” seems oddly similar to the parallels where the Bronze Age Civilizations, Persia and/or Alexandrian Libraries survived and Humanity is now “700 Years Ahead on all levels”.

Have those 1433/1504 parallels merged into the parallels 700 years ahead? And if so, what time was the convergence for them?

MEntity: Yes, they have merged at approximately 2400.

Kurtis: 400 years from now?

MEntity: Correction: 200 years from now at 2200.

Kurtis: oh, how interesting.

So from our timeframe in 2020, they're still separate.

MEntity: Correct.

Kurtis: Noted. Other question: Do I have a Concurrent in both the Clockpunk and 700 years ahead lines?

I'm trying to get a grasp where my Essence enjoys incarnating.

MEntity: Technically, concurrents refer to multiple incarnations of one essence fragment in the same parallel. We would call them incarnations rather than concurrents. Yes, you have incarnations in both "parallels".

Kurtis: Oh I see. So I guess I'll call them Incarnation lines! I was not aware that Concurrents only referred to within the same parallels.

moving on.

Next I have questions about the 1521 parallel where Magellan survived and Crystal powered Tech became ubiquitous. You said that the first parallels towards that branch were from Ancient Greece. Delphi and I both looked at that time and hit an intuitive resonance, independent of each other, with the Peloponnesian Wars. It seems that around 460 and 420 BCE Athens & Sparta attempted some peace treaties to quell warring. In our history these failed and wars ignited, but perhaps these truces could have continued and democratic ideals in Greece continued as well?

Is this valid as the first branch you saw?

MEntity: Yes, this is valid.

Kurtis: nice.

I resonate with that line, so I suppose I have an Incarnation Line there too?

MEntity: Of course you do.

Kurtis: Out of curiosity what is the overall theme of those lives I've had, in those parallels?

MEntity:

One theme that we can see appears to be that of RESEARCH, INVESTIGATION, and INVENTION in regards to crystals as augmentation for memory storage.

Storage and Retrieval.

Kurtis: I do have an affinity for crystals. When I was a kid, I even made crystal-based characters and played with characters touching crystal artifacts to trigger memories.

Maybe I'll get back into that. That's fascinating.

I then tried to assess other branches towards that Crystal-powered World with my Essence, since we got all of our last set wrong [See Delphi's session: "Musical Overleaf System Needs More Work, Instinctive Centre, Crystal Empire Parallels"]. I got these and would like to hear if they are valid branches towards that Crystal tech world:

356 and 338 BCE: Branches where the Macedonian Empire under Philip II failed to conquer Athens. Athens survived and went on to unify Greece instead, reviving its Democratic assemblies.

1025 CE: A branch where the Vikings successfully established colonies in North America 500 years before us, by establishing successful peace treaties and exchanging metallurgy knowledge.

1215: A branch where the Chola Dynasty in Southern India appears to have survived and expanded into the Indian Ocean from Madagascar to Australia and even into Polynesia. Incidentally, there seems to be evidence of historic contact at this time between pre-Incan civilizations and the Polynesians as well.

1324: A branch where the Kingdom of Mali launched successful expeditions across the Atlantic towards what is South America, out of desire for knowledge and to spread Islam and Mali’s riches.

MEntity: We discourage you from assuming you were "wrong" in your selections of dates/events. Regardless of our clarity or accuracy through our channel, you are working in an area that is all but impossible to validate. We think the wisest approach to this exploration is one of open curiosity without conclusion.

Kurtis: That's a fair assessment. Thanks.

My aim is accuracy, within the bounds of what I can validate with you and my fellow parallel-enjoying friends.

MEntity: We see that the 356/338 BCE branches and the 1215 branch fed into this Crystal-powered World, yes.

Kurtis: Oh that's good. I got those ones down.

Out of curiosity do you see 1025 and 1324 as valid branches in and of themselves that are separate from us still, if they branched?

MEntity: No.

Kurtis: noted, thank you

They're ideas that tickle my fantasies. I seem to like cross cultural exchanges.

Next question:

Last time you noted there’s a branch from 1546 where the Schmalkaldic League won its war. It looks like Germany would have unified as a Lutheran Protestant nation there. There are some similarities to the parallels from 1477 where Charles the Bold and his Burgundian State survived as a unified nation, moving towards the sci-fi “Tomorrowland” aesthetics.

Did the 1546 parallels move in that direction as well? Or if not, what are they like today?

MEntity: You found a discrepancy as we think the 1546 branch merged into "this" parallel in the early 1900's.

Kurtis: Oh? How neat. What year?

1918? Germany reformed into a technical Democracy then.

MEntity: Correct.

Kurtis: There looks to have been other branches where a Protestant unified Germany could have formed in the 30 Years War as well. I guess they all merged in 1918. [Note from Kurtis: these are the Protestant Union around 1620 and the Helibronn League around 1634.]

Thank you for that.

Okay, next Id like to know if there are any non-merging parallels branching from the 1900s or 1910s decade?

MEntity: Yes in the 1900s but not in the 1910s.

Kurtis: Ah that was my guess as well.

What year(s) did it branch, and out of curiosity what's it like today?

MEntity: We think sometime between 1904 and 1906. One distinguishing feature of this parallel today is that "sports" declined in popular culture. It is not "exalted" in this parallel as it is in yours. It is simply a recreational pass-time for those who enjoy it. There are no "Olympics," for example. The arts are far more popular, and we mean the classical arts such as painting, singing, sculpting, etc. There is far more time for leisure and artistic pursuit in this parallel.

Kurtis: Oh!

In 1907/08, Hitler tried pursuing the Arts and was prevented from entering. Is it from that time frame?

MEntity: Yes, this appears to be valid.

Kurtis: Nice. Okay, did that world move towards the Pleasurable Arts parallels you previously mentioned through Troy as branching in 1939? [link to "Parallels of Horror and Pleasure: Fuck Hitler"]

MEntity: Yes, they are similar and will likely merge within the next 100-200 years.

Kurtis: How neat. I love this stuff, its very fascinating

Ill have to ask more about that later.

Is this the branch you said branched from "1592" previously?

1593: The Long Turkish War that eroded Ottoman power against the Habsburgs never occurs. Ottomans make inroads into Christian Europe through Croatia. If this is a branch, it probably merged into the 1480 Easternized World.

MEntity: Your assessment is correct, yes.

Kurtis: I got it! Hah!

Sorry I just am really amused when I can solve a mystery.

I asked for your help in that search, alongside my Essence.

MEntity: There is no need to apologize for your amusement.

Kurtis: Hah thank you.

To finish off today. I’d like you to note whether any of these are valid branches:

1439: The Council of Florence succeeds in uniting the Catholic and Orthodox churches into one church. 

1509 and 1527: King Henry VIII never marries Catherine of Aragon, or his divorce with Catherine of Aragon is permitted. Henry doesn’t stoke the fires of English Reformation in turn, so England perhaps stays Catholic much as the 1502 branch.

1521: A branch where Martin Luther wasn’t excommunicated by the Church. Some speculate he could have become pope instead, or that he could have been burnt like Jan Hus in an effort to repress dissent.

1522: Portugal colonizes Indonesia due to a successful coalition and peace treaty with the Sunda Kingdom, instead of emphasizing Brazil.

1529: Ottomans invade Austria successfully in the Battle of Vienna, perhaps merging into the 1480 “Easternized” parallels?

1558: Queen Mary I of England doesn’t die so Queen Elizabeth I never gains power. Which could either mean she reinstates Catholicism, or England falls into division and religious war.

1565 and 1571: Ottomans win the Siege of Malta or Battle of Lepanto and retain these lands from Europe, perhaps merging into the 1480 Easternized world.

1580: Portugal resists Iberian Union, growing closer ties with the Spice Isles, again, instead of Brazil.

MEntity: We see only the 1558 "line" that branched and remains so, but we will need to revisit this, as we are losing focus through our channel. Good day to you, Kurtis. We must conclude for now. Goodbye.

Kurtis: Thank you for all your help. We shall revisit in the future. Covering a lot of ground can be taxing. 

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